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#1 dylanmitchell

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Posted 21 April 2017 - 10:18 PM

I've been following the history of XP since articles started appearing about a new camper built by a chef started appearing in 2010 or so. I also follow Expedition Portal, Overland Journal, and like to view your site to see what's new. The V2 is to small for us loaded we'd easily exceed the weight, the V1 and Ram 3500 hits the Goldilocks spot, and the Ram 5500 and similar may be too much truck. Here are a few questions for you:

 

For mounting a V1 camper what are your thoughts on the Ram 3500 SRW Chassis Cab Crew Cab 10k GVRW 4x4 vs a DRW that will be converted to super singles? I believe this has the standard track vs the wide track of the 5500 making lockers and gearsets more available. Any problems mounting a V1 to this length chassis (other than the turning radius of an aircraft carrier and taking up twelve parking spaces)? Maybe even some room between the cab and camper to mount spare tires or tool boxes?
 

Have you worked with Ram's that have AEV parts especially the Prospector and Prospector XL with AEV's dual sport suspension set up and Bilstein 5100's? Or do you have similar options from your Turnkey packages? My concern is the AEV suspension off road set up may be too soft to support the weight of the V1. We want to avoid airbags or limit bags to a secondary system since the build is designed for extended overland travel.
 
For quality and durability, any reason to go Ford 350, Silverado 3500, or step up to a 550 or 5500?
 
And how to your clients handle high sulfur diesel countries? Are they able to get an off road or export exception that allows disabling EGR, DPF, DEF, etc. while using high sulfur diesel?

We enjoyed seeing your rigs at Overland Expo last year and will try to make this year's expo. Thanks for offering a great option for those of us in the US. Europe is awash with companies building expedition rigs, but not many options exist here. We did look at Earthroamer (to0 big and too expensive) and Tiger Adventure but fit and finish while better that past years isn't up to our expectations. And we want to stay in the 160k range and definitely under 200k.

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#2 highaltidude

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Posted 22 April 2017 - 05:59 PM

 

 

Ram 3500 SRW Chassis Cab Crew Cab 10k GVRW 4x4 

 

 

I'm not Marc, I hope it's alright for me to comment.....

I don't think a 10K GVWR will be enough.

My truck (Ford F-350 swr) hits the scales at 8,200 lbs w the truck tray installed and the suspension mods done by XP.

Thats w/o people or any gear.....

Camper should be here soon, so I'm just guessing, but I expect it to be closer to 3,000lbs wet, putting me over 11,000lbs...

 

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Posted 23 April 2017 - 12:30 PM

Thanks, Chuck, and no worries that you are not Marc. I've been reading the Truck Discussion, and this thread may relate more closely to that thread. We discussed weights, and 12k+ GVRW with a 4-5k payload should handle the truck tray, suspension mods, and larger wheels/ tires. The suspension mods and 37x12.5x20 vs. 245/70R19.5 vs. ? is a different discussion as is finding the N speed rated (87 mph) or higher tires that will handle extended 75-80 mph runs on pavement and tough offroad use and airing down. 
 
Our rig will be titled as an RV and non-commercial and the 10k GVRW looks like it's designed to avoid commercial DOT regs that kick in at 10k GVRW.  And we want to keep weight about 10 percent below the max GVRW. Here's what we found:
 
Ram 3500 Crew 8 foot bed Aisin Auto 4x4: 5,750 payload plus/ minus a few hundred pounds depending on trim.
 
Ram 3500 Crew Chassis 172.4 inches Aisin Auto 4x4: 4,500 to 6,00 payload depending on set up (super single conversion may reduce payload)
 
Ram 5500 Crew Chassis 173.4 inches Aisin Auto 4x4: 10k payload (super single conversion may reduce payload)
 
2006 pre-emissions International 4300/4400 Crew Cab 4x4: 18-20k payload

We're also open to an F450 (but wondering about the 6.7 Scorpion), the GM 3500 (but wondering about the 90 percent new Duramax), and other suggestions. And wow that Atego 1023 4 x 4 would look great with a flatbed and XP camper is appealing as are so many other Euromarket vehicles.

We're in the planning stages and have a year or two before retirement. So you may see me lurking around here and asking questions. Plus our hard to sell vacation property is still on the market, and that has to close before we have the funds for this build.


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Posted 23 April 2017 - 04:09 PM

 

Thanks, Chuck, and no worries that you are not Marc. I've been reading the Truck Discussion, and this thread may relate more closely to that thread. We discussed weights, and 12k+ GVRW with a 4-5k payload should handle the truck tray, suspension mods, and larger wheels/ tires. The suspension mods and 37x12.5x20 vs. 245/70R19.5 vs. ? is a different discussion as is finding the N speed rated (87 mph) or higher tires that will handle extended 75-80 mph runs on pavement and tough offroad use and airing down. 
 
Our rig will be titled as an RV and non-commercial and the 10k GVRW looks like it's designed to avoid commercial DOT regs that kick in at 10k GVRW.  And we want to keep weight about 10 percent below the max GVRW. Here's what we found:
 
Ram 3500 Crew 8 foot bed Aisin Auto 4x4: 5,750 payload plus/ minus a few hundred pounds depending on trim.
 
Ram 3500 Crew Chassis 172.4 inches Aisin Auto 4x4: 4,500 to 6,00 payload depending on set up (super single conversion may reduce payload)
 
Ram 5500 Crew Chassis 173.4 inches Aisin Auto 4x4: 10k payload (super single conversion may reduce payload)
 
2006 pre-emissions International 4300/4400 Crew Cab 4x4: 18-20k payload

We're also open to an F450 (but wondering about the 6.7 Scorpion), the GM 3500 (but wondering about the 90 percent new Duramax), and other suggestions. And wow that Atego 1023 4 x 4 would look great with a flatbed and XP camper is appealing as are so many other Euromarket vehicles.

We're in the planning stages and have a year or two before retirement. So you may see me lurking around here and asking questions. Plus our hard to sell vacation property is still on the market, and that has to close before we have the funds for this build.

 

 

 

When you say GVRW, do you mean GVWR (Gross Vehicle Weight Rating)?

 

My swr 4x4 diesel truck weighs 8,200lbs w the truck tray, and no camper.

Other trucks set up to carry a camper should be comparable.  Maybe a bit less for a gasser motor....

A truck with a GVWR of 10K will not be safe for an XP, or any camper.

I also don't trust manufacturers payload ratings.  They are based on an unrealistic truck weight.

You need to subtract truck weight (ask around what other's trucks weigh, trucks set up like yours will be, and get answers from people that have been to scales) from the GVWR that will be on the truck's driver's side door panel.   This will give an accurate payload capacity.

The XP should be fine on any one ton swr, if set up correctly (I've had a rear sway bar added, air bags, and the Icon suspension).  Make sure you have enough margin on the weight rating on the tires you select....  I think it's much easier to drive a bit slower than leave stuff at home....     :-)

 

Chuck



#5 dylanmitchell

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Posted 23 April 2017 - 04:46 PM

Thanks for the info Chuck. I did mean gross vehicle weight rating GVWR. We do want to be safe and under max weights so 12k GVRW and 4k payload or more sounds like the minimum.
 
Window sticker of 5500
 
http://www.chrysler....7WRNEL3HG514306
 
Window sticker of 3500
 
http://www.chrysler....7WRTCL4HG705708
 
RAM 5500 CHASSIS LARAMIE CREW CAB 60"C/A 4X4
 
http://www.davesmith...aa37fec2590.htm
 
http://www.carlburge...3c9959398b1.htm
 
 
For 55k you can get the single cab and a shorter wheelbase less than many of the 3500's go for
 
http://www.ramtrucks...&statusCode=KZX
 
 
3500's
 
http://www.davesmith...3c99c9b0c11.htm
 
http://www.davesmith...ffa3261802b.htm







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